President Obama Talks Modern Racism with ‘The Daily Show’ Host Trevor Noah

president-obama-trevor-noah President Obama still has a few more weeks in office and decided to spend some of the time he has left with The Daily Show‘s own Trevor Noah.

The Commander-in-Chief and Noah’s sit-down covered a wide range of topics, including Donald Trump’s win, the fate of Obamacare, Russia’s attempt to influence this year’s presidential race and more–but the topic appeared to be closest to Noah is that of modern racism, which the President was more than willing to give his opinion on.

“My general theory is that if I was clear, in my own mind, about who I was- comfortable in my own skin- and had clarity about the way in which race continues to be this powerful factor in so many elements of our lives, but that it is not the only factor in so many aspects of our lives- that we have by no means overcome the legacies of slavery and Jim Crow and colonialism and racism, but that the progress we’ve made has been real and extraordinary,” President Obama said of navigating the line between being true to himself and his opinions on race, while not alienating a large group of his audience. ” If I’m communicating my genuine belief that those who are not subject to racism can sometimes have blind-spots, or lack appreciation of what it feels to be on the receiving end of that, but that doesn’t mean that they’re not open to learning and caring about a quality in justice, that I could win them over- because there’s goodness in the majority of people.”

POTUS went on to explain that the face of racism is different now–it’s more hidden. “There may be times where you just have to call things out and name names, but the challenge we face today when it comes to race is rarely the overt Klansman style racism and typically has more to do with the fact that people have got other stuff that they want to talk about and it’s sort of uncomfortable,” he told Trevor. “It’s somebody not getting called back for an interview, although it’s never explicit. It’s who gets the TV acting job- the actress who doesn’t quite look the part and what does that mean? In that environment, you’re not talking cut and dry racist behavior, but rather about the complex ways in which society is working these issues through.”

If you have about 20 minutes or so to kill, we’d highly recommend you check out Trevor’s full interview with President Obama below:

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